on the road with kerouac

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I read it during college and I remember liking it. I agree, it does lag at times. I need to read it again.
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I just read it a few months ago, and at the time I really liked it only because of the fact that he was abandoning the expectations and social norms of the era, but after discussing it with someone I came to same of the same conclusions as you did. It's not terribly intellectual or even well-written, but definitely interesting just because (exactly like you said) its attached to a movement that was so influencial, especially if brought about the changes in the 60's.
I think of this as a pretty adolescent book -- I loved it in high school, but it has never stood up to a re-reading. I've taught it before, and even many of my students (college sophomores, mostly) are too far past that stage of life to like it much. They say things like "I might have liked this more back when...." As far as the beats go, I'm mostly a fan of Ginsberg; Kerouac I enjoy most when he's writing about jazz, which he does to perfection in On the Road. The jazz club scenes are the only ones that I think still stand up for me.

The bit about writing it in three weeks, though, is a myth. He was working on it for years, even showing the work to several fellow writers. The scroll is around somewhere, though, I think.
The one thing I've found about Kerouac and Bourroughs (which, by extension, may be true for all Beat writers) is that they're oral works and really come out a lot better when you listen to them read by the voice and in the tones the author intended. It also means, I suppose, that you can't go on for nearly as long, and, thus, you end up with less of the boredom factor.

Also, though I am now very curious about debunking the myth of the three weeks and the roll of printer's paper, On The Road was primarily about the process and its value is more like the value of a primary source than a novel.

Basically, I'm saying that I have a sort of love-hate thing going on with Kerouac, and it has nothing to do with the locals shouting insults at us when we hopped the fence to go find his grave. Hehe.
I should have been more clear...I mentioned it in the last paragraph but basically Kerouac had extensive notes, even down to exact phrases said, of the seven years when he and Cassady were cavorting around the country. He supposedly did sit down and write the full-length novel in one three week sitting but as Katra mentioned, he had big chunks of it already written and many many notebooks full of material from which to draw information. The Penguin book actually has a very very good preface that gives a lot of background about Kerouac and his Beat buddies. I was glad I ended up picking up that version.

The "roll' as Kerouac called it, did make a trip around various libraries and museums recently and originally sold for some exhorbitant amount of money.

You're definitely right--the Beat poets are more accessible when you are hearing them--I never thought to apply that idea to Kerouac's novel. I imagine it may be more interesting aloud but then again, it still has the endless repetitive circles of boozing, womanizing, stealing a car or hopping a bus and then going to the next town. That's what I mostly couldn't get past...it just became boring after awhile. I haven't read any of his other books, perhaps they are more redeeming?
On the other hand, part of the point of Kerouac's gestalt is that he's not "redeemable" in spite of all that karmic talk.
Man oh man, I forgot to say the funny part earlier. One of my best friends always says, "Girls, if your boyfriend starts reading On The Road, run. Fast."

Interestingly, when I apply this rule to situations both before and after she made the claim, it holds true. I mean, of course it does. RUN.

Re the (sc)roll, my neighbor Steve just happened to post a photo of it. Man oh man!
An interesting discussion. I'm glad I chanced upon it. I've never felt compelled to read this, but have often wondered if I should given its reputation.
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I thought I was the only one who didn't like that book! I also felt that because I am a woman, maybe I saw it in a different light than men who read it (like my husband who loves it). It seemed to me that the only "good women" in that book were the ones who didn't say anything, and just let their significant others do as they pleased. Any of the women who seemed to have a problem with their hubbies drinking all night long at who-knows-where with who-knows-who were seen as nags.

I also found Dean to be foolish, and certainly now worth all the admiration being paid to him. He kept acting like a selfish jerk over and over. It got boring. Since I found him so unlikeable it was hard to get through a whole book exalting his childish, selfish behavior.

Great post!

Remember too that during WWII most of the adult male poplutation was off fighting for half a decade. The vaccuum of paternal authority left Kerouac's generation to find their own values. Kerouac wasn't inventing this figure of a rambling man, he was glorifying it.

"It was dirty, grimy, sad and I couldn't find any joy in the book although over and over Sal seemed to revel in the various little joys of the people he met and admired." Exactly the difference literature made for these men, making joy from madness.

I don't think "On The Road" is for everyone, but it is for some of us. Make no mistake about it: Kerouac isn't inspiring anyone to do anything they don't allready want to. He is, hopefully, showing us beauty in experiences that most people consider ugly.

As Ginsberg said: "All is holy."

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